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ну в англоязычном тоникаку уже хэпбёрн прижился, но он то и дело, что для обычных обывателей, а норм учёные уже кладут на него письку
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2020 December 02
RR
Например какие?
RR
Сомневаюсь что норм ученые такие конченные
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хз, я имена не запоминаю, ща чекну автора той статьи, которую выше упоминал
K
Сомневаюсь что норм ученые такие конченные
Твои представления о конченности шерифа не беспокоят.
RR
А про Японцев, с каких пор их ингришь стал авторитетным?
RR
Твои представления о конченности шерифа не беспокоят.
Для меня конченно писать ti вместо chi, да
K
а я напоминаю, что по последним исследованиям (причём не русским) молодые япы скорее склонны переходить в сторону более «русских» си, ти, дзи из-за влияния онеме
В каком смысле влияние онеме? В онеме хороший японский же.
K
Для меня конченно писать ti вместо chi, да
Ну, для меня тоже...
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А про Японцев, с каких пор их ингришь стал авторитетным?
а при чём тут английский, когда мы говорим про запись японского
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Ну, у Японцев всё-таки есть кана
RR
Редко вижу
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хз, я имена не запоминаю, ща чекну автора той статьи, которую выше упоминал
J. Marshall Unger
> If the foregoing phonological analysis is correct, then an ironic consequence of this sound change is that it belies the old bromides of Hepburn romanization enthusiasts, who have long insisted that spellings like Fuji and chashitsu represent the sounds of Japanese more accurately than spellings like Huzi and tyasitu. Horror of horrors: young Japanese are actually pronouncing ji, cha, and shi rather more like English zi, tya, and si these days. Farewell, James Curtis!
> If the foregoing phonological analysis is correct, then an ironic consequence of this sound change is that it belies the old bromides of Hepburn romanization enthusiasts, who have long insisted that spellings like Fuji and chashitsu represent the sounds of Japanese more accurately than spellings like Huzi and tyasitu. Horror of horrors: young Japanese are actually pronouncing ji, cha, and shi rather more like English zi, tya, and si these days. Farewell, James Curtis!
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J. Marshall Unger
> If the foregoing phonological analysis is correct, then an ironic consequence of this sound change is that it belies the old bromides of Hepburn romanization enthusiasts, who have long insisted that spellings like Fuji and chashitsu represent the sounds of Japanese more accurately than spellings like Huzi and tyasitu. Horror of horrors: young Japanese are actually pronouncing ji, cha, and shi rather more like English zi, tya, and si these days. Farewell, James Curtis!
> If the foregoing phonological analysis is correct, then an ironic consequence of this sound change is that it belies the old bromides of Hepburn romanization enthusiasts, who have long insisted that spellings like Fuji and chashitsu represent the sounds of Japanese more accurately than spellings like Huzi and tyasitu. Horror of horrors: young Japanese are actually pronouncing ji, cha, and shi rather more like English zi, tya, and si these days. Farewell, James Curtis!
Что-то гонщик он.
Из какого уезда новости?
Из какого уезда новости?
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В каком смысле влияние онеме? В онеме хороший японский же.
ну там такое описано
> It is interesting to speculate on what may be causing these innovative pronunciations. My guess is that they originated with the voices of anime characters, which, it seems, some young Japanese do not realize they have internalized after thousands of hours of TV viewing and videogame playing. That is undoubtedly the reason for the kind of nasal robot-wannabe vocal stance adopted by otaku and the ultra-cute manga jinbutsu look-alikes with whom they are frequently obsessed. Another possibility I have heard suggested is that hissing may be preferred to hushing because cell phone users have found that the advanced articulation (and whispering) is easier on the ears and/or less likely to annoy people nearby; however, the changes I am describing have been in the works for at least the past twenty years, and more people seem to be text-messaging than speaking on cell phones lately, so I tend to think that keitai use is at most an aggravating circumstance. Linguistically, one might hypothesize that the devoicing of /i/ in /si/ and /u/ in /su/ have become so prevalent that there now exists a significant number of minimal word or phrase pairs distinguished only by [s] ≠ [ʃ], and that [ʃ] is being replaced by [s] in the /si/ member of each pair; under that hypothesis, the replacement of [ʃ] before voiced vowels by [s] is due to analogy. Sociolinguistically, it seems that the changes are more common among twenty-somethings, particularly women, though I've also heard them from people over thirty, including some men.
> It is interesting to speculate on what may be causing these innovative pronunciations. My guess is that they originated with the voices of anime characters, which, it seems, some young Japanese do not realize they have internalized after thousands of hours of TV viewing and videogame playing. That is undoubtedly the reason for the kind of nasal robot-wannabe vocal stance adopted by otaku and the ultra-cute manga jinbutsu look-alikes with whom they are frequently obsessed. Another possibility I have heard suggested is that hissing may be preferred to hushing because cell phone users have found that the advanced articulation (and whispering) is easier on the ears and/or less likely to annoy people nearby; however, the changes I am describing have been in the works for at least the past twenty years, and more people seem to be text-messaging than speaking on cell phones lately, so I tend to think that keitai use is at most an aggravating circumstance. Linguistically, one might hypothesize that the devoicing of /i/ in /si/ and /u/ in /su/ have become so prevalent that there now exists a significant number of minimal word or phrase pairs distinguished only by [s] ≠ [ʃ], and that [ʃ] is being replaced by [s] in the /si/ member of each pair; under that hypothesis, the replacement of [ʃ] before voiced vowels by [s] is due to analogy. Sociolinguistically, it seems that the changes are more common among twenty-somethings, particularly women, though I've also heard them from people over thirty, including some men.
RR
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