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By the way, CJDNS creator was here https://t.me/idistributed/1432
Isn't it him two messages above, writing from the Matrix bridge?
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2018 November 05
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Isn't it him two messages above, writing from the Matrix bridge?
(Yep, authorship of matrix-relayed messages in Telegram is a little bit hard to spot due to noisy formatting)
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oh. Yes (:
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Who is have project about distributed system ?
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I think that current censorship resilience tasks for exchanging static data are relatively obvious:
- IPFS layer for content addressing and file sharing
- CJDNS-like layer for automatic routing with encryption and without control over the contents of the packets (encrypted self-routing IPv6)
- Wireless MESH layer for alternative routes and transfer of content without the Internet, and between neighbors. Or sitting in a busy square. SZhNS can connect, for example, over 802.11s
For other cases, except for the file transfer itself, it is possible to change the IPFS to other P2p solutions: cryptocurrency, distributed messengers, etc. For example, teach how to work TOR over hyperborea.
- IPFS layer for content addressing and file sharing
- CJDNS-like layer for automatic routing with encryption and without control over the contents of the packets (encrypted self-routing IPv6)
- Wireless MESH layer for alternative routes and transfer of content without the Internet, and between neighbors. Or sitting in a busy square. SZhNS can connect, for example, over 802.11s
For other cases, except for the file transfer itself, it is possible to change the IPFS to other P2p solutions: cryptocurrency, distributed messengers, etc. For example, teach how to work TOR over hyperborea.
You could use libp2p.
My project is about to integrate with I2P, followed by TOR and probably cjdns.
My project is about to integrate with I2P, followed by TOR and probably cjdns.
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If you guys want it to be really accessible and widespread, you'll also need to make a nice and simple frontend, like a single app with trivial setup. Which kind of goes a bit against the idea of cjdns as it was initially concieved, but who cares.
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If you guys want it to be really accessible and widespread, you'll also need to make a nice and simple frontend, like a single app with trivial setup. Which kind of goes a bit against the idea of cjdns as it was initially concieved, but who cares.
for my project? or just in general
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cjdelisle [matrix]: The reason why cjdns is currently hard to install is because we never wanted people who didn't contribute something back, and the only contribution we were able to accept until now has been open source development... As soon as we have it mated to a blockchain, you can bet there will be a nice app for phone and computer
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cjdelisle [matrix]: The reason why cjdns is currently hard to install is because we never wanted people who didn't contribute something back, and the only contribution we were able to accept until now has been open source development... As soon as we have it mated to a blockchain, you can bet there will be a nice app for phone and computer
Lol forgot you are here. I was usually trying to convey this thing of yours since I've actually paid a lot of attention to it as non-IT guy, but now that you can clarify it firsthand here...
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cjdelisle [matrix]: The reason why cjdns is currently hard to install is because we never wanted people who didn't contribute something back, and the only contribution we were able to accept until now has been open source development... As soon as we have it mated to a blockchain, you can bet there will be a nice app for phone and computer
hi, newbie here
how is this project better than TOR for me?
why would i pay for something(assuming you mean btc payments) that is a TOR replacment(as i see it)?
it doesnt give internet if gov pulls the switch, same as TOR...
how is this project better than TOR for me?
why would i pay for something(assuming you mean btc payments) that is a TOR replacment(as i see it)?
it doesnt give internet if gov pulls the switch, same as TOR...
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cjdelisle [matrix]: different objectives than TOR, TOR offers anonymity to people who have internet, cjdns is designed to offer internet to people who don't
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you will eventually have to rely on access to the internet from users, who will have to take the risk, same as with open wifi.
i mean a small local network has little use
for 1 hop people could use open wifi with some sort of payment for access (which is illigal in many places unless documents are checked...)
for many hops it will be a sort of internet provider, which is again illigal in most places.
all the risk goes to the weakest part - people who share their connection.
paying them for sharing their connection might help, but it will turn this into a black market, where people exchange risk of loss of freedom for money...
i mean a small local network has little use
for 1 hop people could use open wifi with some sort of payment for access (which is illigal in many places unless documents are checked...)
for many hops it will be a sort of internet provider, which is again illigal in most places.
all the risk goes to the weakest part - people who share their connection.
paying them for sharing their connection might help, but it will turn this into a black market, where people exchange risk of loss of freedom for money...
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cjdelisle [matrix]: Yes, living in an authoritarian country is bad, there's no way around that fact
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cjdelisle [matrix]: But we will definitely not be making "exit nodes" out of people who don't explicitly wish to be exiting traffic to the internet
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cjdelisle [matrix]: But we will definitely not be making "exit nodes" out of people who don't explicitly wish to be exiting traffic to the internet
thats good
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cjdelisle [matrix]: and everything else will be encrypted and when it runs over internet, it will be overlay
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cjdelisle [matrix]: Yes, living in an authoritarian country is bad, there's no way around that fact
why would TOR+regular connection not be an option? it does not allow gov to check the content of the connection
is your plan to make connection cheaper? black market works only by making stuff more expensive
or do you plan to use this for countries where gov simply dissalow internet access to the public? buy then 'exit nodes' are well guarded anyway and long distance solutions arent ready
is your plan to make connection cheaper? black market works only by making stuff more expensive
or do you plan to use this for countries where gov simply dissalow internet access to the public? buy then 'exit nodes' are well guarded anyway and long distance solutions arent ready
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cjdelisle [matrix]: First market is people who want to pay less - share their internet connection with neighbors.
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cjdelisle [matrix]: Second market is people who don't have access to the internet, but their distant neighbors do have access.
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cjdelisle [matrix]: Selling into opressive regimes is actually not an official objective of mine, unless I get a "license to operate" from the department of state